Discussion #2: Game of Thrones Reading Challenge 2012

Here is the second monthly meme/discussions for the Game of Thrones Reading Challenge. This month’s discussion is on A Song of Ice and Fire #2, A Clash of Kings.

As usual, I will post five questions for you all to mull over and I will answer one of the questions myself to start off the discussion. I also invite you to post your favorite quote or passage from the book. These are meant purely for fun and by no means required to participate in the challenges.

Make sure you link your responses or reviews back to your blog using the Mr Linky on the corresponding Game of Thrones Monthly Meme page or you can simply leave your response in the comments. The goal is to have some fun discussions and talk about the books.

I hope all you challenge participants have had some time to read the first two books in the series, but if not no worries we do have all year :) . Please remember, no matter where you are in the book or series, you are more than welcome to discuss the book right along with us :).

Discussion Questions

  1. Each of the ‘kings’ have officialadvisers or family members who give them advise on how to win the Iron Throne. Do you think these advisers are valued by the kings? Why or why not?
  2. Each of the so called kings have reason to think the Iron Throne is rightfully theirs.Who do you think is the rightful king and why? Is it necessary to have one king who rules the Seven Kingdoms?
  3. Do you think Shae loves Tyrion or is she just a whore like Cersei says? Why or why not? Any predictions for how that love story will play out?
  4. How did you feel about Theon Greyjoy’s character? Was what he did to the Stark family more or less different than the Stark’s did to the Greyjoy family? Was it justice, revenge, or both? Did you like his character why or why not?
  5. What is Daenerys Targaryen’s motivation for returning to Westeros? Her brother was the exiled ‘king’ and she his traveling companion and bargaining chip to hire the Dothraki, now that he is dead what would her motivation be for returning to the Seven Kingdoms? Why not stay on the island and rule there?

The Lit Bitch’s Response

Question #2: I think the rightful ‘king’ of Westeros is Daenerys Targaryen. Her family ruled the kingdom for hundreds of years until her father had the misfortune of being crazy. Then along came Robert to avenge Lyanna Stark and he seized the throne for himself….a throne stolen doesn’t make a king in my option–therefore any claim that Joffrey has the the throne is null and void (to say nothing of his scandalous genealogy)!!

The same issues applies to the cases of Renley and Stannis….if you count King Robert as ‘king’ and not Joffrey then I guess Stannis would technically be the heir….but certainly not Renley–no matter how much the public likes him! The Greyjoy’s have no claim what-so-ever in my book….and sadly neither does Robb. They Greyjoy’s and Stark’s (as much as it pains me to say), have similar motivation for rebelling and separating form the Seven Kingdoms. The Stark’s want justice for Ned and to be free of the Lannisters and King Joffrey’s rule…they want not part of the corruption in King’s Landin. Like the Greyjoy’s–the Stark’s want to return to the ‘old ways’ and have their own independence from tyranny.

Daenerys Targaryen is in exile for her father and brother’s misgivings and short-comings as rulers…though the Mad King was truly ‘mad’ and Daenerys’s brother was obviously a weak ruler, I think Daenerys would be fair and the people would love her–really who COULDN’T love the Mother of Dragons!?! 🙂

I do not think it is necessary to have one leader to unite Westeros….though I do think it is necessary to have some king of union between all the regions, like a democracy or senate with each region having a representative and voting on issues….I think imperial rule gives too much power to one person and thus leaving the door open for their own motives and ‘witch hunts’. I am anxious to see who actually ‘wins’ the Iron Throne or if Martin decides to go the republic route! The tension is killing me 🙂

Favorite Quote/Passage

Power resides where men believe it resides no more no less–power is a mummers trick…a shadow on the wall yet shadows can kill (132)

3 thoughts on “Discussion #2: Game of Thrones Reading Challenge 2012

  1. I am one of the few who think that Robert Baratheon did not usurp the throne. 🙂 He had claim. Ned mentions this in AGoT and Renly mentions it as well in this book. I know how he loves to go on about how he avenged Lyanna at the Trident but the war was started when Jon Arryn raised his banners in rebellion rather than give Aerys Targaryen the heads of his wards, Robert and Eddard Stark and not when Lyanna was “kidnapped” by Rhaegar Targaryen. Quest for the throne was never the main agenda for starting the rebellion.

    What was not honorable during that war was what the Lannisters did at King’s Landing. Robert had no hand in that one but he didn’t seem to dislike what they did as well. His obvious hatred of Rhaegar has blinded him to the reality of what the Lannisters did.

    The Targaryens ruled for 300 years but they were not of Westeros but of Old Valyria. They were invaders as well. They were able to forge a kingdom with the help of their dragons and made the kings of old kneel and pledge fealty.

    At the end of the rebellion, they were overthrown. Willem Darry took Viserys and Daenerys into exile. It was harsh but Viserys was old enough to understand the situation but he chose to be bitter about it. The First Men ruled for a thousand years before the Targaryens came yet you never heard them whine about it.

    With that being said, Stannis Baratheon should be the rightful heir by laws of succession since Robert left no true born heir. Renly does not have a very high opinion of his older brother Stannis and thinks that he could take the crown by strength of arms and it doesn’t help that he is backed by people who thinks he can. I never saw Balon Greyjoy nor Robb Stark with desires for the Iron Throne. Robb wants independence from the Crown as the Starks have always been before the Targaryens came. Balon Greyjoy is just plain mad for wanting to forge his kingdom in the North and the Iron Islands in the midst of a war. It was clever, strike while the northmen are warring in the south but, but stupid. I really hate the fact that he cannot stomach a kingdom being “given” to him but that he really has to “take” one.

    It would also be interesting about Dany’s dragons. The depictions of dragons in the books so far have all been in relation to destruction: The Field of Fire and Harrenhal. But those dragons seemed to be trained. With that in mind and the fact that the only three living dragons are in the hands of a teenager with no knowledge whatsoever of how to train them does not bode very well.

    I also think that the Seven Kingdoms were really better off as Seven Kingdoms.

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